My personal opinion though, Oda isn't telling us about poneglyph contents anymore. He doesn't care about the no-names enough to tell readers. I find it hard to care about the regular ones now, especially when Robin also can be quick to disregard them. It makes me wonder how much nonsense information the guidance poneglyphs have.
I do wonder about the Apology poneglyph though. If there was a contender for Rio Poneglyph among the ones that Robin has found, I would put money on this one.
I think Oda is avoiding sharing them since their contents are relevant to the larger picture and he either (1) has not finalized all the details or (2) doesn't want us reader predicting the true history too accurately.
If you think about it all the stuff that VP has learned has been from these other poneglyphs - his science just confirmed them. We also know Clover knew the name of the AK from these poneglyphs too. I'm guessing each of these historic content poneglpyhs will be supporting content to the true history we learn from the ones in Laughtale.
We know for sure that Brook did manage to make a rubbing of all three Poneglyphs that were in BM‘s possession. So potentially that makes two, I‘m still a bit confused as I figured that Robin would be looking for them. But it is/ was never mentioned again as the story progresses. Makes me wonder if they can be found on Laugh Tale for real.
I think it's partly a product of what Deadlybeast mentioned, in regard to them not being mentioned again. Specifically to prevent fans from piecing something together. But that inherently implies that the conclusions one can derive from this series of poneglyphs is pretty evident.
Anyway, there's a good chance that Robin will only divulge the contents when we get the final road poneglyph, since there will be nothing to hide at that point.
EDIT: I'm adding something for transparency.
Something's gone wrong here with the way this info is being tracked.
The wiki identifies three types of Poneglyphs:
Historical, Instructional, and Road.
In chapter 301, Robin alludes to Historical and Instructional.
In Chapter 846, Tomago clarifies that 9 stones make the rio poneglyph. Tomago says that on Raftel, those stones will reveal the truth of the world, This matches with the Skypian era of knowledge that Robin had when she says that stringing together the contents of the historical poneglyphs gives the "true history."
So, first thing is that Tomago's speech is the clean-up and most likely, the updated version of Robin's skypian-era knowledge, from a narrative perspective. (And pray that we don't have unreliable narrators happening.)
Here's the problem with the way these are being tracked, because I think this might cause confusion when we try to discuss this. The wiki notes that NO Instructional poneglyphs have been found.
This can't be right, because Robin notes that the Skypian poneglyph is probably an instructional poneglyph in terms that cannot be misconstrued by translation errors. She gives context on everything.
The Skypian poneglyph, however, notes information about Poseidon, which can be considered historical. From Roger, we know this poneglyph tells them that Poseiden is in Fishman island, so that's how we end up with it being instructional maybe.
So, what this shows or implies is that there is a portion of the fandom unable to distinguish between the poneglyphs because the instructional poneglyphs contain bits of historical information.
Most likely, the Skypian poneglyph is an instructional type because it instructs people to travel to Fishman island. But then depending on how you interpret Robin's words in chapter 301, it implies that Alabasta's is an instructional stone too.
So, tl;dr, 100% there is a disagreement between what Robin has established in 301 and what the portion of the fandom represented by the wiki understands.
Also, just an extra think, I feel like the arc after Elbaph will be the lodestar arc. And then, after that, we go into the war sequence of story.
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Okay, I've added in extra context. This turned into a little bit of a headache XD
Hmm… if Imu's goal isn’t to turn every giant into a demon (not sure she can at this point), but just to break their will… wouldn’t they resist again once her sham falls apart? Feels like she’s overreaching—pushing beyond her weight just to bully them into submission. It's like she’s gambling.
In chapter 301, Robin (in an old translation) makes a distinction between tablets of clues that give guidance, and tablets of truths. The tablets of truths probably refer to the 9 rios.
Not really in this at the moment but I do have a VIZ account so I grabbed the relevant panels for y'all. I wonder if these translations were ever updated or they're the same ones that were in american Shonen Jump like 20 years ago
Brad, you're a joke and truly full of it if you really think you didn't just summarize the future of One Piece in that last post. And that was not a dynamic paragraph asshat, it's a summation of how you think the manga is going to end.
You're a grown ass man using the word cringe like a preteen. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Since YOU'RE the person who lashed out YOU should stick to the manga discussion. Don't start fires then put them out poorly, son. It's a bad look on both of us.
Yeah you really are oblivious to how you come across. You are easily triggered and emotional dude, it's like talking to that kid at school that got red faced and started crying. I called you condescending and cringe really, and you've written 2 replies with words in ALL CAPS calling me names and increasingly trying to get under my skin.
It's not working, just let it go.
Happy to continue discussing the manga.
What you are suggesting is akin to the ending of Naruto, where it was a "Passing the buck" kinda situation. I think Oda has written this too much into a "History repeating" situation with Koby/Luffy/BB dynamic being a mirror of Garp/Roger/Rocks. That's why I summed it up in a short paragraph, it's an obvious Shonen theme, just like how BB usurping Imu is a pretty obvious theory too. However, there is more riding on Imu carrying history than BB at the moment, so I think Imu won't be replaced by blackbeard.. I think maybe BB + Luffy + Koby putting aside their differences and fighting together would be the path to victory over Imu.
Not really in this at the moment but I do have a VIZ account so I grabbed the relevant panels for y'all. I wonder if these translations were ever updated or they're the same ones that were in american Shonen Jump like 20 years ago
One hundred thanks Zetsu. So... now, I have a better appreciation for what's going on.
So, the viz translation is a complete 180 from the fan translation. For example, it changes from "I must follow the guide of the poneglyph" to "I must guide the poneglyph..."
So that's more wild than I expected. It's not every day I find such massive differences between translations.
With this that Zetsu has presented, the Skypian poneglyph is implied to be a component of the Rio Poneglyph, since they take it to Raftel.
I am now not sure of what poneglyph is what now. But at least with the viz translation, we know it's not a "stone that shows locations of the others." (But it shows the location of Poseiden)
One hundred thanks Zetsu. So... now, I have a better appreciation for what's going on.
So, the viz translation is a complete 180 from the fan translation. For example, it changes from "I must follow the guide of the poneglyph" to "I must guide the poneglyph..."
So that's more wild than I expected. It's not every day I find such massive differences between translations.
With this that Zetsu has presented, the Skypian poneglyph is implied to be a component of the Rio Poneglyph, since they take it to Raftel.
I am now not sure of what poneglyph is what now. But at least with the viz translation, we know it's not a "stone that shows locations of the others." (But it shows the location of Poseiden)
this is definitely one of those "I'm gonna have to dig through japanese readers' interpretations" situations. I'll dig around through LuniaPienArt/DawnDusk, they tend to tackle stuff like this
One hundred thanks Zetsu. So... now, I have a better appreciation for what's going on.
So, the viz translation is a complete 180 from the fan translation. For example, it changes from "I must follow the guide of the poneglyph" to "I must guide the poneglyph..."
So that's more wild than I expected. It's not every day I find such massive differences between translations.
With this that Zetsu has presented, the Skypian poneglyph is implied to be a component of the Rio Poneglyph, since they take it to Raftel.
I am now not sure of what poneglyph is what now. But at least with the viz translation, we know it's not a "stone that shows locations of the others." (But it shows the location of Poseiden)
Crazy enough the anime translations were pretty much the same as the viz one with her saying she needs to guide the poneglyphs to Raftel. Honestly, I don't think there needs to be a distinction between the types of poneglyphs aside from the road ones vs everything else. The road ones are purely a map and for that reason are red and all the other ones contain important historical information, some of which is where the ancient weapons were left. There will be more poneglyphs in laughtale and they will be the most important ones and we may even get a new color or type then too.
From what Robin said I personally always thought that the poneglyphs in laughtale may even be a coded key that when used with the content of all the other poneglyphs contain access to the true history. The void century is a large timespan so I always felt it was odd that a small number of poneglyphs on a single island would be enough to convey all that important information. Heck a poneglyph at best contains a few pages of content in a book so even all of them combined is not that much information. I personally think there will be something more on laughtale that cannot be accessed without combining all the poneglyphs together and maybe even some other criteria. As for what's there, will be interesting to eventually see.
this is definitely one of those "I'm gonna have to dig through japanese readers' interpretations" situations. I'll dig around through LuniaPienArt/DawnDusk, they tend to tackle stuff like this
Crazy enough the anime translations were pretty much the same as the viz one with her saying she needs to guide the poneglyphs to Raftel. Honestly, I don't think there needs to be a distinction between the types of poneglyphs aside from the road ones vs everything else. The road ones are purely a map and for that reason are red and all the other ones contain important historical information, some of which is where the ancient weapons were left. There will be more poneglyphs in laughtale and they will be the most important ones and we may even get a new color or type then too.
From what Robin said I personally always thought that the poneglyphs in laughtale may even be a coded key that when used with the content of all the other poneglyphs contain access to the true history. The void century is a large timespan so I always felt it was odd that a small number of poneglyphs on a single island would be enough to convey all that important information. Heck a poneglyph at best contains a few pages of content in a book so even all of them combined is not that much information. I personally think there will be something more on laughtale that cannot be accessed without combining all the poneglyphs together and maybe even some other criteria. As for what's there, will be interesting to eventually see.
I agree that it has to be some kind of code that brings it all together. I also agree that there really didn't need to be distinctions aside from Road poneglyphs. The "direction" ones just don't do anything for the story. Though I guess a direction one could tell someone like crocodile that there was a poneglyph and Alabasta, but that sort of thing could be conveyed through rumors.
That's what it reads like to me with the viz context. At least they took the rubbing. We can be sure Roger didn't move poneglyphs around the way Big Mom and Kaido did.
I mean the poneglyphs are bound to be relevant, but Egg-Head has most likely given us all we need to figure out the climax: Vegapunk was acting as the narrator and told us the Roger Pirates were led by voices of the past and heard about true history from the purest source possible. What's the purest source possible? The arc also gives us three possible solutions: first person narration (someone is waiting on the island), snail message/tone dial from void century character, memories made tangible.
Are the other poneglyphs really important? They could be, yes, but just as the voyage suddenly changed with the introduction of the Road Poneglyphs, it's all about hearing that final message. There's also the poneglyph we saw in the Emeth/Joyboy interaction, but that could also be an assembly of poneglyphs, since they were shadowed, and the 9 important ones are assembled in one place: maybe that island we saw, maybe one of the places we have yet to really visit/explore, with Elbaf being a good candidate.
I still believe Egg-Head was most of the metaplot condensed into a relatively fast arc, and while I wouldn't die on any hill, it gives us a reasonable comparison/metaphor for pretty much any unanswered question... you name it.
I agree that it has to be some kind of code that brings it all together. I also agree that there really didn't need to be distinctions aside from Road poneglyphs. The "direction" ones just don't do anything for the story. Though I guess a direction one could tell someone like crocodile that there was a poneglyph and Alabasta, but that sort of thing could be conveyed through rumors.
That's what it reads like to me with the viz context. At least they took the rubbing. We can be sure Roger didn't move poneglyphs around the way Big Mom and Kaido did.
I remember that Roger said he did manage to make a copy of Big Mom‘s Road Poneglyph so he knew about the technique and I guess that‘s how they “moved“ the Poneglyphs to Laugh Tale.
Then how else is Luffy the Nika user? Can't have a fruit without the user having died.
More so, if he were alive, he wouldn't have had to leave Emeth with his King's Haki.
Nor would Roger have had to say "I wish I was around during your era" in Laughtale if Joyboy was still alive, and more so in Laughtale. He's almost definitely dead. It'd be extremely cowardly of Joyboy to have fled for 900 years simply to leave someone else to do his work.
Most characters are not immortal, so it's a safe assumption amongst many others to assume he's dead. It's been over 900 years.
First of all on my search for the interview I found that it was translated differently so IMO it‘s not a perfect source to claim that the One Piece is a tangible treasure. Maybe a Japanese naitive speaker could help to clearify this bit without the original source Ima stop referring to it and agree that I lack further evidence.
So yes the RP might be it but with all we‘ve learned about Nika and Joyboy it would not surprise me if there was an object or a message left behind by Joyboy on Laugh Tale that is only useful to another Nika fruit user.
Poneglypgs are literally used to leave messages, and document things that the WG didn't want the world to know.
This is what Dr. Clover has been saying the entire time along with VP and co.
I think it's partly a product of what Deadlybeast mentioned, in regard to them not being mentioned again. Specifically to prevent fans from piecing something together. But that inherently implies that the conclusions one can derive from this series of poneglyphs is pretty evident.
Anyway, there's a good chance that Robin will only divulge the contents when we get the final road poneglyph, since there will be nothing to hide at that point.
EDIT: I'm adding something for transparency.
Something's gone wrong here with the way this info is being tracked.
The wiki identifies three types of Poneglyphs:
Historical, Instructional, and Road.
In chapter 301, Robin alludes to Historical and Instructional.
In Chapter 846, Tomago clarifies that 9 stones make the rio poneglyph. Tomago says that on Raftel, those stones will reveal the truth of the world, This matches with the Skypian era of knowledge that Robin had when she says that stringing together the contents of the historical poneglyphs gives the "true history."
So, first thing is that Tomago's speech is the clean-up and most likely, the updated version of Robin's skypian-era knowledge, from a narrative perspective. (And pray that we don't have unreliable narrators happening.)
Here's the problem with the way these are being tracked, because I think this might cause confusion when we try to discuss this. The wiki notes that NO Instructional poneglyphs have been found.
This can't be right, because Robin notes that the Skypian poneglyph is probably an instructional poneglyph in terms that cannot be misconstrued by translation errors. She gives context on everything.
The Skypian poneglyph, however, notes information about Poseidon, which can be considered historical. From Roger, we know this poneglyph tells them that Poseiden is in Fishman island, so that's how we end up with it being instructional maybe.
So, what this shows or implies is that there is a portion of the fandom unable to distinguish between the poneglyphs because the instructional poneglyphs contain bits of historical information.
Most likely, the Skypian poneglyph is an instructional type because it instructs people to travel to Fishman island. But then depending on how you interpret Robin's words in chapter 301, it implies that Alabasta's is an instructional stone too.
So, tl;dr, 100% there is a disagreement between what Robin has established in 301 and what the portion of the fandom represented by the wiki understands.
Also, just an extra think, I feel like the arc after Elbaph will be the lodestar arc. And then, after that, we go into the war sequence of story.
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Okay, I've added in extra context. This turned into a little bit of a headache XD
The WIKI is 100% not entirely accurate. It's no different to this forum. We discuss, we have a consensus and we agree my majority. Doesn't mean the majority is right. The WIKI has had so many things wrong in the past, it's just fan translation at the end of the day.
For the most part, it's quite accurate, but it has quite a few inaccuracies which is why it's best to read multiple translations for more context. The earlier OP translations are downright terrible.
There are instructional Poneglyphs such as the one found in Fishman Island telling the people of Fishman Island to be patient, and wait for Joyboy to reappear as he'll be the one to guide Poseidon in the way she should be guided.
I don't think the distinction is important, it's all information.
All readers really need to know is:
There's Poneglyphs that carry all manner of information.
Road Poneglyphs lead to Laughtale and there are 4 them.
And the 9 Poneglyphs on Laughtale are called the "REAL PONEGLYPH". The rest will just carry different information like Ancient Weapons location, or apologies & instructions like Joyboy's... I am sure all these can be categorised in so many ways beyond 2-3 given labels.
... the reason it's called "RIO PONEGLYPH" is because in Japanese phonetics, they don't pronounce the ENGISH LETTER "L" which is why they call Luffy "Ruffy" sometimes. If they did have the Letter L, they'd call it REAL, but the L isn't a prominent pronunciation there.
Then how else is Luffy the Nika user? Can't have a fruit without the user having died.
More so, if he were alive, he wouldn't have had to leave Emeth with his King's Haki.
I'm not looking for a lengthy argument, and I'm not advocating for any conjecture of mine in this particular case, just giving a reminder that may/may not be useful for your own evaluation of the possibilities: we had an entire chapter more or less dedicated to the concept of death, and how stuff like satellites make things ... weird. We have 3 living Vegapunks, and one of them is an assembly of parts from the other 3, with a Stella clone right there in Elbaf.
Even the Gorosei are yet another angle on that topic: did Saturn die? at some point I guess, but he was just a demonic remake of the satellite stuff.
I remember that Roger said he did manage to make a copy of Big Mom‘s Road Poneglyph so he knew about the technique and I guess that‘s how they “moved“ the Poneglyphs to Laugh Tale.
Poneglyphs were never moved to Laughtale by Roger.
The Poneglyphs were already at Laughtale 900 years ago.
9 Poneglyphs, the most important ones are in Laughtale.
The others that are outside Laughtale, if people physically find them, they can be moved, carried, hidden... in fact the WG stole some from Ohara during its destruction. They're the ones that Joyboy hoped Luffy or the chosen one iwll find that will lead and interest them into seeking more and eventually going to Laughtale.
What Robin is saying as far as I interpret it is... the Poneglyps she's read, she needs to take all that information with her, probably as context as to what they'll read once they read the 9 poneglyphs at Laughtale.
Roger also stole a Road Poneglyph rubbing (copy) from Big Mom, not that he moved anything there. He needed all 4 Road Poneglyphs as they give coordinates to an Island (Laughtale) which no one has visited for 900 years until 25 years ago.
Don't forget there are millions of Islands in One Piece, so it's impossible to go from Island to Island trying to figure out which one is Laughtale, the Road Poneglyphs have these coordinates which is why they're so precious.
Pretty sure Imu also said Lili's blunder involves moving the Poneglyphs, so this was 900 years ago.
I'm not looking for a lengthy argument, and I'm not advocating for any conjecture of mine in this particular case, just giving a reminder that may/may not be useful for your own evaluation of the possibilities: we had an entire chapter more or less dedicated to the concept of death, and how stuff like satellites make things ... weird. We have 3 living Vegapunks, and one of them is an assembly of parts from the other 3, with a Stella clone right there in Elbaf.
Even the Gorosei are yet another angle on that topic: did Saturn die? at some point I guess, but he was just a demonic remake of the satellite stuff.
Not relevant imo.
Can't really claim someone to be immortal without valid evidence to really even make that conjecture, otherwise I can claim Luffy is actually the son of Nami because Nami's stuck in some space time continuum magic box mentally where her memories regarding Luffy as her son is unknown to her.
Unless there's evidence that gives good reason to suggest Joyboy is immortal, it's a pointless thought.
He's likely dead, 900 years has gone by, all the actions so far indicate he's dead. Unless you have a good argument for it, I personally dismiss it and give it no thought.
Saturn was likely given immortality by Imu like Dorry and Broggy were through this contract where they're given demonic powers. Vegapunk just made clones of himself and a pretty much lobotomised himself and suspended his brain to act like a hard drive for his other satellites.
Death is a real thing, I will entertain possibilities where there's good argument to support it. With your statement, I guess you'd argue Roger may be alive just because... I think that would be a pointless argument.
As long as an idea is reasonable, I think that's all that matters.... the idea that Joyboy is immortal is unreasonable unless like I said, where's a good solid argument that he likely is?
I'm not looking for a lengthy argument, and I'm not advocating for any conjecture of mine in this particular case, just giving a reminder that may/may not be useful for your own evaluation of the possibilities:
Hmm… if Imu's goal isn’t to turn every giant into a demon (not sure she can at this point), but just to break their will… wouldn’t they resist again once her sham falls apart? Feels like she’s overreaching—pushing beyond her weight just to bully them into submission. It's like she’s gambling.
Gunko Imu has gotten many demon giants at her side at this point. Will be interesting to see what Gaban says to counter this, since they still have immortality.
Demonification happens when someone is between two demons and we were given hints that this works like a board game. I would suggest that it also works the other way around. That again means that the opponent has the same power. Kinda like a purificating power boost. May be that is what the liberation of Nika is?
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